Comments on: Ageism Vs. Rewilding http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/ Hunter-Gatherer Wannabe With A Blog Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:33:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: feralkevin http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7712 feralkevin Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:32:29 +0000 http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7712 Sorry to hear about your experiences with the Jon Young people. My experience has been the opposite. Otherwise, I'm with you on this one. I try to respect the limited wisdom that many olders in my life have about certain things, but honestly we've had so many lost generations of people that true elders are as rare as unpolluted water. It excites me and horrifies me at the same time when I realize that I'm the elder in my foodshed. There may be others, but they've yet to make themselves known to me. Most olders have spent their lives building the nightmare of a world that we have. It's only a few of us that are attempting to find the path to something better (rewilding/feralization), and more often than not, we're young. Sorry to hear about your experiences with the Jon Young people. My experience has been the opposite. Otherwise, I’m with you on this one. I try to respect the limited wisdom that many olders in my life have about certain things, but honestly we’ve had so many lost generations of people that true elders are as rare as unpolluted water. It excites me and horrifies me at the same time when I realize that I’m the elder in my foodshed. There may be others, but they’ve yet to make themselves known to me. Most olders have spent their lives building the nightmare of a world that we have. It’s only a few of us that are attempting to find the path to something better (rewilding/feralization), and more often than not, we’re young.

]]> By: suburban bushwacker http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7709 suburban bushwacker Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:08:26 +0000 http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7709 "vampiric olders who seek nothing but power" so you've met Shirly ! “vampiric olders who seek nothing but power”
so you’ve met Shirly !

]]> By: Urban Scout http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7708 Urban Scout Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:19:45 +0000 http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7708 I only talk with people older than me who treat me as an equal. Who never judge me in that they know more than me, and that that somehow makes them better and in a position of power. That is disgusting. There are plenty of people older than me who I consider friends and who are constantly teaching me things, though they don't act all high-and-mighty like these elder-wannabe's. I would refer to them as elders, but that brings with it all of these unspoken premises of a power-based relationship. I would even refer to them as mentors, since elders and mentors often get conflated in their heads as well, but I also see the term mentor used in the same power-hungry context. At this point, I will continue to call them friends and family. However, even though my grandfather is totally pro-civ, he's 80+ years old and I consider him the only elder I really have. I love hearing his stories about old-time Portland and learning about my ancestry. Everytime I'm with him I think to myself, "Oooh. That's why my dad always says that. Now I get it." I only talk with people older than me who treat me as an equal. Who never judge me in that they know more than me, and that that somehow makes them better and in a position of power. That is disgusting. There are plenty of people older than me who I consider friends and who are constantly teaching me things, though they don’t act all high-and-mighty like these elder-wannabe’s. I would refer to them as elders, but that brings with it all of these unspoken premises of a power-based relationship. I would even refer to them as mentors, since elders and mentors often get conflated in their heads as well, but I also see the term mentor used in the same power-hungry context. At this point, I will continue to call them friends and family. However, even though my grandfather is totally pro-civ, he’s 80+ years old and I consider him the only elder I really have. I love hearing his stories about old-time Portland and learning about my ancestry. Everytime I’m with him I think to myself, “Oooh. That’s why my dad always says that. Now I get it.”

]]> By: thaddeus http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7707 thaddeus Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:48:00 +0000 http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7707 I would like to point out that while we do seem to lack what I would consider _whole_ elders, we do have quite a few partial ones... people who have lived here for a long time and have learned a great deal about one or two things. I had an excellent conversation with my father just earlier today - during which I was reminded of how much he knows about setting clear boundaries of fair treatment around himself. he has NOT learned how to not bring insane people into his life, but he HAS learned how to set boundaries that keep them from disrupting his own sanity. when I think about the situation I often see that there has been a great deal of physical and mental injury laid upon the generations before ours, and healing those wounds will take several generations more yet. I don't think we will have true elders until more healing can take place. but for that healing to take place, we must take advantage our olders' experiences which can help us heal the wounds they have passed on to us, as well as learn our own lessons to heal a bit more. I would like to point out that while we do seem to lack what I would consider _whole_ elders, we do have quite a few partial ones… people who have lived here for a long time and have learned a great deal about one or two things. I had an excellent conversation with my father just earlier today - during which I was reminded of how much he knows about setting clear boundaries of fair treatment around himself. he has NOT learned how to not bring insane people into his life, but he HAS learned how to set boundaries that keep them from disrupting his own sanity.

when I think about the situation I often see that there has been a great deal of physical and mental injury laid upon the generations before ours, and healing those wounds will take several generations more yet. I don’t think we will have true elders until more healing can take place. but for that healing to take place, we must take advantage our olders’ experiences which can help us heal the wounds they have passed on to us, as well as learn our own lessons to heal a bit more.

]]> By: scoutwithoutclout http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7706 scoutwithoutclout Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:17:35 +0000 http://www.urbanscout.org/ageism-vs-rewilding/#comment-7706 yesssssssssss! yesssssssssss!

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