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	<title>Comments on: Image Vs. Rewilding</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Terraflora</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-22293</link>
		<dc:creator>Terraflora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-22293</guid>
		<description>This was a well written critique of a (actually one of my favorite) Crimethinc. quotes. 

I can definitely see your side of many of the points. However, your assertion that wearing American Apparel merchandise is just as anarcho-primitivist as scavenged, homemade, or otherwise free clothes doesn't seem right to me.  The best case scenario of how you came across American Apparel clothes is that you found them lying on the ground somewhere, or in a free box or something like that.  Even then, wearing them risks influencing all of the fashion punks (who seem to be the real problem causers for you) to think that 'punks' in American Apparel is cool. They might then buy or steal American Apparel, and perpetuate the whole thing when people see them wearing those clothes. 

Anyway, living in Cascadia certainly lets me experiance a unique people who in many ways look and talk like your average fashion crusty or p.c. punk, but truly have the will and desire to learn about, and then share, all these truly useful ancient techniques. Examples of this are edible/medicinal plant walks, roadkill processing work shops, herbal based womyns heath collectives and the like. 

Excellent point about re-wilding looking different to different cultures though, that is often overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a well written critique of a (actually one of my favorite) Crimethinc. quotes. </p>
<p>I can definitely see your side of many of the points. However, your assertion that wearing American Apparel merchandise is just as anarcho-primitivist as scavenged, homemade, or otherwise free clothes doesn&#8217;t seem right to me.  The best case scenario of how you came across American Apparel clothes is that you found them lying on the ground somewhere, or in a free box or something like that.  Even then, wearing them risks influencing all of the fashion punks (who seem to be the real problem causers for you) to think that &#8216;punks&#8217; in American Apparel is cool. They might then buy or steal American Apparel, and perpetuate the whole thing when people see them wearing those clothes. </p>
<p>Anyway, living in Cascadia certainly lets me experiance a unique people who in many ways look and talk like your average fashion crusty or p.c. punk, but truly have the will and desire to learn about, and then share, all these truly useful ancient techniques. Examples of this are edible/medicinal plant walks, roadkill processing work shops, herbal based womyns heath collectives and the like. </p>
<p>Excellent point about re-wilding looking different to different cultures though, that is often overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: monangahelagen</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7107</link>
		<dc:creator>monangahelagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7107</guid>
		<description>totally. sometimes people forget the point, as these crimethinc-ers obviously have, and glorify everything about the primitive ideal, which tends to be a pretty fuzzy simplified stereotype.

if you've studied anthroplogy at all you know that primitive peoples have a HUGE range of behaviors beliefs ideals religions etc. and there are tons of things that most enlightened left winger type folks would really be opposed to about plenty of primitive cultures if they suddenly found themselves a part of them (example: "yes, you are marrying your second, cousin. no there's nothing you can do about." or "lawerence the medicine man had a vision, and you're definitely a witch, you're gonna have to leave now")
we can't not liking these things, we're thinking with twentieth century civ minds, and of course we can't say they are wrong, but that just isn't our cultural context and it doesn't make sense for us try to glorify it.

so we just need to remember that the thing we are focusing on is how to survive in a hunter-gatherer way that's best for the planet. the rest of the culture that would be created if we were to have some sort of feral hunter gatherer society today would likely be completely different than anything in the past.

and when it comes to clothing and appearance, it doesnt matter a bit how we look as long as we are focusing on maintaining ourselves in an environmentally friendly way.

lastly, anyone who has gathered wild foods know it's not a bit like dumpster diving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally. sometimes people forget the point, as these crimethinc-ers obviously have, and glorify everything about the primitive ideal, which tends to be a pretty fuzzy simplified stereotype.</p>
<p>if you&#8217;ve studied anthroplogy at all you know that primitive peoples have a HUGE range of behaviors beliefs ideals religions etc. and there are tons of things that most enlightened left winger type folks would really be opposed to about plenty of primitive cultures if they suddenly found themselves a part of them (example: &#8220;yes, you are marrying your second, cousin. no there&#8217;s nothing you can do about.&#8221; or &#8220;lawerence the medicine man had a vision, and you&#8217;re definitely a witch, you&#8217;re gonna have to leave now&#8221;)<br />
we can&#8217;t not liking these things, we&#8217;re thinking with twentieth century civ minds, and of course we can&#8217;t say they are wrong, but that just isn&#8217;t our cultural context and it doesn&#8217;t make sense for us try to glorify it.</p>
<p>so we just need to remember that the thing we are focusing on is how to survive in a hunter-gatherer way that&#8217;s best for the planet. the rest of the culture that would be created if we were to have some sort of feral hunter gatherer society today would likely be completely different than anything in the past.</p>
<p>and when it comes to clothing and appearance, it doesnt matter a bit how we look as long as we are focusing on maintaining ourselves in an environmentally friendly way.</p>
<p>lastly, anyone who has gathered wild foods know it&#8217;s not a bit like dumpster diving!</p>
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		<title>By: rix</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7073</link>
		<dc:creator>rix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7073</guid>
		<description>The indigenous folks would not have ever even though of rebelling against their culture. Culture represented everything--the root of your existence. To fly in the face of that would be like suicide.

I appreciate that the punk scene feels shit upon by the culture-at-large. I do too. I used to thrash back in the day. It feels meaningful to take part in a different culture--a sub culture--that speaks to you. We definitely need a new culture, and we will have to make it up as we go. Maybe it will involve scarification and tattoos and dreadlocks. If you don't want to starve, it will also definitely involve foraging--for more than the civ's leftovers. But when we get to the place of living in a new culture (which probably won't completely happen in our lifetimes) then all those things we bring with us will become the new status quo.

It's not about rebelling against the old so much as it's about &lt;a href="http://wilderix.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/syncretism-from-serenity/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;finding a way to something new that will outlast the old&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The indigenous folks would not have ever even though of rebelling against their culture. Culture represented everything&#8211;the root of your existence. To fly in the face of that would be like suicide.</p>
<p>I appreciate that the punk scene feels shit upon by the culture-at-large. I do too. I used to thrash back in the day. It feels meaningful to take part in a different culture&#8211;a sub culture&#8211;that speaks to you. We definitely need a new culture, and we will have to make it up as we go. Maybe it will involve scarification and tattoos and dreadlocks. If you don&#8217;t want to starve, it will also definitely involve foraging&#8211;for more than the civ&#8217;s leftovers. But when we get to the place of living in a new culture (which probably won&#8217;t completely happen in our lifetimes) then all those things we bring with us will become the new status quo.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about rebelling against the old so much as it&#8217;s about <a href="http://wilderix.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/syncretism-from-serenity/" rel="nofollow"><font color="#ff0000">finding a way to something new that will outlast the old</font></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Earth Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7052</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweet Earth Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7052</guid>
		<description>My daughter was once attracted to a right purty dread-locked dude strutting up and down Hawthorne (she was young and didn't know better!).  They got together - briefly.  He drove an SUV, had two cell phones (one for drug deals), and lived in a huge fancy house.  FUnny!

I'm flashing back to the Viet Nam war era.  Quite a few people responded to the doings of this nation by dropping out of the mainstream and became hippies.  I really liked that "scene," then; they were self-sufficient, environmentally-conscious, ate well, and lived closer to what I consider a natural state of being.  Ah, the good ol' days.  And, I see the same in you rewilders, natural builders, and so on.  But not faux hippies so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter was once attracted to a right purty dread-locked dude strutting up and down Hawthorne (she was young and didn&#8217;t know better!).  They got together - briefly.  He drove an SUV, had two cell phones (one for drug deals), and lived in a huge fancy house.  FUnny!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m flashing back to the Viet Nam war era.  Quite a few people responded to the doings of this nation by dropping out of the mainstream and became hippies.  I really liked that &#8220;scene,&#8221; then; they were self-sufficient, environmentally-conscious, ate well, and lived closer to what I consider a natural state of being.  Ah, the good ol&#8217; days.  And, I see the same in you rewilders, natural builders, and so on.  But not faux hippies so much.</p>
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		<title>By: heron</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7048</link>
		<dc:creator>heron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7048</guid>
		<description>hmmmmm...
The crusties may seem to purport to have self-convinced reasonings for the lifestyles they perpetuate ,but to me it seems it is merely,on many a level,a reactionary stance supposedly against society though clearly rooted in the appearance based  existence that everyone in society can raise there hand to be counted as being guilty of.I just have trouble seeing how they relate to the rewilding movement,seeming to me to compose another sub-culture.I hold the anarchist ethos to my heart,and I realize the romanticist  leanings.I also try to be realistic about my feelings,and I know that their gravity shant be measured in if I have washed my hair or my ass this week.What I see from people like you is a genuine effort,for instance,and it doesn't waver with what you wear or if you shave.
Pick and choose carefully is all I try to do,in regards to defense of any culture,or cultural appropriations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmmm&#8230;<br />
The crusties may seem to purport to have self-convinced reasonings for the lifestyles they perpetuate ,but to me it seems it is merely,on many a level,a reactionary stance supposedly against society though clearly rooted in the appearance based  existence that everyone in society can raise there hand to be counted as being guilty of.I just have trouble seeing how they relate to the rewilding movement,seeming to me to compose another sub-culture.I hold the anarchist ethos to my heart,and I realize the romanticist  leanings.I also try to be realistic about my feelings,and I know that their gravity shant be measured in if I have washed my hair or my ass this week.What I see from people like you is a genuine effort,for instance,and it doesn&#8217;t waver with what you wear or if you shave.<br />
Pick and choose carefully is all I try to do,in regards to defense of any culture,or cultural appropriations.</p>
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		<title>By: ssgovoni</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7046</link>
		<dc:creator>ssgovoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.urbanscout.org/image-vs-rewilding/#comment-7046</guid>
		<description>Hahaha!  I couldn't agree with you more.   I often pass crusties on the corner that give off the "I'm cooler and more primitive than you" air.  It REALLY pisses me off because I use to hang out with a lot of those kids (amazingly enough, they don't remember) for years, and they basically spent most of their time buying records, buying beer, making butt flaps and studding vests, and occasionally dumpstering.  I'd invite them along to forage for edibles and learn how to live without all that pre packaged dumpstered food, but it would cut into their crust punk show time, so the answer is always no.  I mean, I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but at least I'm trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha!  I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.   I often pass crusties on the corner that give off the &#8220;I&#8217;m cooler and more primitive than you&#8221; air.  It REALLY pisses me off because I use to hang out with a lot of those kids (amazingly enough, they don&#8217;t remember) for years, and they basically spent most of their time buying records, buying beer, making butt flaps and studding vests, and occasionally dumpstering.  I&#8217;d invite them along to forage for edibles and learn how to live without all that pre packaged dumpstered food, but it would cut into their crust punk show time, so the answer is always no.  I mean, I don&#8217;t know what the hell I&#8217;m doing, but at least I&#8217;m trying.</p>
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